{"id":1305,"date":"2015-11-30T09:49:46","date_gmt":"2015-11-30T16:49:46","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/markniwot.com\/?p=1305"},"modified":"2015-11-30T10:23:58","modified_gmt":"2015-11-30T17:23:58","slug":"once-twisted-its-hard-to-un-twist","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/markniwot.com\/?p=1305","title":{"rendered":"Once Twisted, it’s Hard to Un-Twist"},"content":{"rendered":"

NOTE:\u00a0 This article is a follow-on to the previous post, “If \u2018the Law of the LORD is perfect\u2019 \u2013 then why \u2018twist Paul\u2019?<\/a>”<\/p>\n

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The problem with seeing the world, the Bible, and even \u201cthe LORD\u201d through pagan sunglasses is that things still look funny when you try to take them off. The \u201ctwisting of Paul\u201d seems to be epidemic. But the ramifications are more serious than most who do it will admit.<\/p>\n

\u201cI think I know how these guys think now,\u201d said the Defender of Xtianity. They [those Hebrew Roots types] see a verse like Colossians 2:16-17 and turn the message completely upside-down!\u201d<\/p>\n

\u201cSo let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the body of the Messiah. \u201d<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n

\u201cAs if Paul isn’t talking about how WE are to reject the Jewish festivals and sabbaths! They actually seem to think he was talking to judaizers and saying that they shouldn’t let US judge THEM for not keeping the Christian holy days of the New Covenant!\u201d<\/p>\n

\u201cSo then, to think like Mark Call, we must start with Torah and end with Torah and every<\/b><\/span> reading must be interpreted through that filter. <\/span>Whereas we start with Jesus and end with Jesus.<\/b>\u201c<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

And therein lies the rub. If you START with \u201c<\/span>another jesus, whom we have NOT preached<\/i><\/span>\u201d, and then end in the same place, the logical fallacy is called \u201ccircular reasoning\u201d. The assumption justifies the conclusion. And since the conclusion feels good, nothing else matters. Even, it seems, Scripture itself.<\/span><\/p>\n

\u201cIf the Foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do?\u201d <\/i><\/span>(Psalm 11:3)<\/span>
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When Yahushua came \u201c<\/span>in His Father’s Name<\/i><\/span>\u201d to the world, the only Scripture that then existed was the \u201cold\u201d testament. It was the Torah of Moses, the Writings, and the Prophets, as He said, (John chapter 5) which, <\/span>\u201ctestify of Me.<\/i><\/span>\u201d How could it be otherwise? The \u201cnew\u201d testament wouldn’t be written until decades later, and the authors relied on the only Scripture they knew to make the case that He was Who they said He must be! Yahushua made this argument at length in <\/span>John 5:30-47.<\/span><\/p>\n

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\u201cIf the Foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do? \u201c <\/i><\/span><\/p>\n

There is a painful irony in this blindness, too. By claiming that Paul means the opposite thing from what they want him to be saying, that all-too-common heresy ignores WHO THE LETTER WAS WRITTEN TO:<\/span><\/p>\n

Former pagans! People attempting to \u201cturn to Him,\u201d and being persecuted by the pagans around them for keeping the MOEDIM of YHVH! People who, then like now, are being \u201cjudged\u201d for things like NOT eating pork, or NOT keeping \u201cXmas\u201d or NOT celebrating pagan fertility rites with bunnies and eggs!<\/b><\/span><\/p>\n

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Yes, the author of that Letter was saying, \u201cdon’t let them judge you\u201d for following the One True God, and keeping His feasts, His \u201cholidays,\u201d instead of the ones you grew up with!<\/span><\/p>\n

And thus we keep coming back to the real problem, and the circular fallacy:<\/span><\/p>\n

Just which \u201cJesus\u201d do they worship? The one Who KEPT the Feasts (‘moedim’ or \u201cAppointed Times\u201d) of YHVH and NEVER once ate pork, or violated His own Sabbaths? And Who said He would NOT \u2013 not in the SLIGHTEST amount \u2013 change the Torah they not only ignore but seem to hate?<\/span><\/p>\n

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Or… \u201canother jesus<\/i>\u201d who \u201cdid away with the Law<\/i>\u201d? And whom Shaul\/Paul and the Apostles did \u201cnot preach<\/i>\u201d.<\/span><\/p>\n

The problem is that they \u201cstart with jesus, and end with him\u201d \u2013 and the \u201chim\u201d is NOT the Messiah that was Written of in Scripture!<\/b><\/span><\/p>\n

This is the message of the end of Yahuchanon (John) chapter 5!<\/span><\/p>\n

\u201cIf I bear witness of Myself, My witness is not true<\/b><\/i>.\u201d (John 5:31)<\/span><\/p>\n

\u2026\u201cthe Father Himself, Who sent Me, has testified of Me!\u201d <\/i><\/span><\/p>\n

\u201cYou have neither heard His voice at any time, nor seen His form. But you <\/span>have <\/b>not<\/b><\/span> His Word abiding in you<\/b>: for Whom He has sent, him you do not believe. Search the Scriptures<\/b><\/span>; for in them you think you have eternal life: and <\/span>they testify of Me<\/b><\/span>.\u201d<\/span><\/i><\/p>\n

Hint: He is NOT talking about the the yet-then-unwritten letters of Paul!!!!<\/span><\/p>\n

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And you will not come to Me, that you might have life. <\/i><\/span><\/p>\n

(think, \u201canother jesus, whom we have NOT preached\u201d instead!)<\/span><\/p>\n

I have come in My Father’s Name, and yet you do not receive Me: if <\/span>another comes<\/b><\/span> in his own name, him<\/strong> you will receive!\u201d<\/span><\/i><\/p>\n

How right He was!<\/span><\/p>\n

<\/a> How can you believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that <\/i>comes<\/i><\/em> from Yah only? <\/i><\/span><\/p>\n

Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: <\/i>there is <\/b><\/i>one<\/b><\/i><\/em> that accuses you, <\/b><\/i>even<\/b><\/i><\/em> Moses, in whom you trust. <\/b><\/i><\/span><\/p>\n

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Well, that was THEN. These guys don’t even believe Moses, either, having accepted the lie that the \u201cOld\u201d has been \u201cdone away with\u201d.<\/span><\/p>\n

For had you believed Moses, you would have believed Me: for he Wrote of Me. But if you will not believe His Writings, how shall you believe My words? <\/b> (<\/i>John 5:46-47)<\/span><\/p>\n

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ANSWER: <\/b>They ignore those. And twist the literal you-know-what outta Paul!<\/span><\/p>\n

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Yahushua was talking FACE-to-FACE to a bunch of hypocrites who KNEW the Torah and Tanakh, and yet were still so wedded to their own tradition and \u201claw\u201d that they refused to see the Torah Made Flesh when He taught them in PERSON. \u201cHow much more so,\u201d then, those who have an even MORE paganized ‘tradition of men’ and so-called \u201claw\u201d that they can literally turn the words of a consummate Torah scholar like Shaul\/\u201dPaul\u201d upside down, and deny the very Words of the Word Made Flesh Himself in the process!<\/span><\/p>\n

\u201cWhen the Foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do?<\/i>\u201d (wipe the dust off their feet, and move on, says the \u201cTorah Made Flesh\u201d they ignore.)<\/span><\/p>\n

\u201cHe who turns his ear from hearing Torah \u2013 even his PRAYER is an abomination.\u201d <\/b><\/i>(Proverbs 28:9) <\/span><\/p>\n

And yet, ultimately we will be asked \u201c<\/span>why does it matter?<\/b><\/span>\u201d Who really cares if His Name was \u201cYahushua,\u201d or Yeshua, or even \u201cJesus\u201d. If we just \u201cbelieve in Him,\u201d or claim to \u201clove him,\u201d by whatever name, and say the \u201csinner’s prayer\u201d, isn’t that enough? Isn’t that really ALL that matters?<\/span><\/p>\n

And there is the rub. The answer is NO! That same Paul said, \u201c<\/span>work out your OWN SALVATION with fear and trembling<\/i><\/span>.\u201d For cryin’ out loud, why would he feel the need to say something like THAT if saying the sinner’s prayer once-and-done was all it took? (Never mind that the so-called \u201csinner’s prayer\u201d is nowhere to be found in His Word anyway!)<\/span><\/p>\n

Yahushua said (John 14:15), \u201c<\/span>if you love Me, keep My commandments.<\/i><\/span>\u201d And, yes, let’s not forget that \u201c<\/span>I never knew you<\/i><\/span>\u201d warning to those who ignore His Instruction!<\/span><\/p>\n

Isn’t there a concern here? How can one get \u201ceternal life\u201d from the wrong savior? <\/span><\/p>\n

\u201cIf the Foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do? \u201c <\/i><\/span><\/p>\n

We can, in fact, build our house upon the Rock. That YHVH is<\/strong> Who He says He is. That He does NOT change, He IS \u201cthe same, yesterday, today, and forever<\/em>,\u201d and that He did not change His mind, or His Word. <\/span><\/p>\n

If there is \u201canother jesus, whom we have not preached,<\/i>\u201d who \u201cdid away with\u201d the \u201claw of Moses,\u201d we know that he is a liar, and the Truth is not in him. <\/span><\/p>\n

The Messiah must be consistent with His own Word! How else could He be the Torah Made Flesh?<\/span><\/p>\n

And that is a Very Big Deal, indeed.<\/span><\/p>\n

\u201cStudy, to show yourself approved<\/em>,\u201d said that same guy, Shaul. No wonder he said to work it out for ourselves.<\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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