Posts Tagged ‘another jesus’

“Noach ”– teaching from Shabbat Shalom Mesa

Sunday, October 22nd, 2017

Join Mark Call of Shabbat Shalom Mesa for a two-part look at one or two of THE most well-known stories in the Bible. But it turns out there far more that isn’t…

The Erev Shabbat overview teaching is a look at all of parsha “Noach” (Genesis 6:9 – 11:32) — and includes a lot of those parts that are typically “glossed over.”

SSM Noach 2017

The Sabbath Day teaching is a bit different this week: FAR more outright “speculation” than usual. But, sometimes that helpful when it comes to “iron sharpening iron” – so long as we call it what it is, and pay close attention to what IS Written in the process.

After all, if part of the idea is to wrap our heads around what “as wit was in the time of Noah” means, how better?

“Noach – Timelines, and thinking ‘Out-of-the-Box'”

“Yom Kippur”– teaching from Shabbat Shalom Mesa

Sunday, October 1st, 2017

Mark Call of Shabbat Shalom Mesa teaches two sessions on the Torah portions associated with Yom Kippur, the “Day of Atonement.”

The Erev Shabbat overview teaching includes a look at several of the references which have to do directly with this, the most solemn day among the Moedim of YHVH, including Leviticus chapter 16, and chapter 23:25-32, as well as some related discussion of the specifics of what we can — and SHOULD — still do, and some of the important elements from that which we can NOT, but will still find understanding from study.

SSM Yom Kippur 2017

The Sabbath Day teaching continues the theme of the ‘chuk’ associated with the “two goats” and the fact that, often, we are commanded about such a statute without understanding “why?” And perhaps the story of the prophet Jonah’s mission to Ninevah — at least so far as he was concerned — resonates with us similarly today.

Yom Kippur — Lessons from Goats to Ninevah

“Nitzavim/Vayelekh”– teaching from Shabbat Shalom Mesa

Sunday, September 17th, 2017

This week the annual Torah cycle begins to come to a close, with double-parsha “Netzavim/Vayelekh,” from Deuteronomy 29:10 through all of chapter 31.

The Erev Shabbat overview teaching reviews what Mark often calls not only one of his very favorite parts of Scripture, but also perhaps the most “compelling” single chapter in the Book.

And the reasons will be made clear!

SSM Netzavim-Vayelekh 2017 – including Deuteronomy chapter 30

The Sabbath Day teaching is a look at what may be one of the most fundamental issues that those who attempt to “come out of” the Whore Church — and, yes, that’s really the bottom line — have to deal with. What really IS different about a “Hebraic mindset”? And why does that same guy (Paul) who warns us about being fooled by “another jesus, whom we have NOT preached,” also say we need to “work out our own salvation with FEAR and TREMBLING?” It is REALLY possible that we have “inherited lies” after all? And that the solution has been right here, and emphasized in THIS Torah portion, all along?

Nitzavim: THE Big Choice, and
Do NOT Keep Silent!

“From Shemot into Vayikra”– teaching from Shabbat Shalom Mesa

Sunday, April 2nd, 2017

Join Mark Call of Shabbat Shalom Mesa for an two-part look at this week’s Torah portion, which completes the Book of Exodus, and continues into the first of Vayikra, aka Leviticus, through chapter 5.

This time the Erev Shabbat overview finishes the story of the Mishkan at the end of Exodus, and continues – as does the story – right into the next Book.

SSM Pekudei into Vayikra – 2017

 

The Sabbath Day teaching this week addresses one of THE central conflicts between both of the ‘idolatrous houses’ exiled for rebellion to YHVH, and the idea of ‘sacrifice’ that so often separates them. Both can be wrong, for different reasons. And if we do not understand why Scripture is SO specific about ‘korbon’, and the distinctions, we can – and have – “inherited lies from our fathers.”

“Vayikra, UNintentional Sin, Rebellion, and the Big Lie”

 

“Ki Tisa” – teaching by Mark Call from Shabbat Shalom Mesa

Sunday, February 28th, 2016

Parsha “Ki Tisa,” (Exodus 30:11 through 34:35) picks up the story of the Mishkan, and the Exodus, with one of the most important events in all of human history.

In the first recording, for Erev Shabbat, Mark Call of Shabbat Shalom Mesa teaches from the entire parsha, including the story of the ‘golden calf,’ and some of the key questions which surround it.

Ki Tisa 2016    26 February, 2016.

 

During the Sabbath Day teaching, Mark focuses on what for most of ‘the church’ will no doubt be a VERY uncomfortable comparison: How is today’s paganism so ‘superior’ to that incident that got so many killed then?

“Golden calves and Other Intermediaries

Once Twisted, it’s Hard to Un-Twist

Monday, November 30th, 2015

NOTE:  This article is a follow-on to the previous post, “If ‘the Law of the LORD is perfect’ – then why ‘twist Paul’?

 

The problem with seeing the world, the Bible, and even “the LORD” through pagan sunglasses is that things still look funny when you try to take them off. The “twisting of Paul” seems to be epidemic. But the ramifications are more serious than most who do it will admit.

“I think I know how these guys think now,” said the Defender of Xtianity. They [those Hebrew Roots types] see a verse like Colossians 2:16-17 and turn the message completely upside-down!”

So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the body of the Messiah. ”

“As if Paul isn’t talking about how WE are to reject the Jewish festivals and sabbaths! They actually seem to think he was talking to judaizers and saying that they shouldn’t let US judge THEM for not keeping the Christian holy days of the New Covenant!”

“So then, to think like Mark Call, we must start with Torah and end with Torah and every reading must be interpreted through that filter. Whereas we start with Jesus and end with Jesus.

And therein lies the rub. If you START with “another jesus, whom we have NOT preached”, and then end in the same place, the logical fallacy is called “circular reasoning”. The assumption justifies the conclusion. And since the conclusion feels good, nothing else matters. Even, it seems, Scripture itself.

If the Foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do?” (Psalm 11:3)

When Yahushua came “in His Father’s Name” to the world, the only Scripture that then existed was the “old” testament. It was the Torah of Moses, the Writings, and the Prophets, as He said, (John chapter 5) which, “testify of Me.” How could it be otherwise? The “new” testament wouldn’t be written until decades later, and the authors relied on the only Scripture they knew to make the case that He was Who they said He must be! Yahushua made this argument at length in John 5:30-47.

 

If the Foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do? “

There is a painful irony in this blindness, too. By claiming that Paul means the opposite thing from what they want him to be saying, that all-too-common heresy ignores WHO THE LETTER WAS WRITTEN TO:

Former pagans! People attempting to “turn to Him,” and being persecuted by the pagans around them for keeping the MOEDIM of YHVH! People who, then like now, are being “judged” for things like NOT eating pork, or NOT keeping “Xmas” or NOT celebrating pagan fertility rites with bunnies and eggs!

 

Yes, the author of that Letter was saying, “don’t let them judge you” for following the One True God, and keeping His feasts, His “holidays,” instead of the ones you grew up with!

And thus we keep coming back to the real problem, and the circular fallacy:

Just which “Jesus” do they worship? The one Who KEPT the Feasts (‘moedim’ or “Appointed Times”) of YHVH and NEVER once ate pork, or violated His own Sabbaths? And Who said He would NOT – not in the SLIGHTEST amount – change the Torah they not only ignore but seem to hate?

 

Or… “another jesus” who “did away with the Law”? And whom Shaul/Paul and the Apostles did “not preach”.

The problem is that they “start with jesus, and end with him” – and the “him” is NOT the Messiah that was Written of in Scripture!

This is the message of the end of Yahuchanon (John) chapter 5!

If I bear witness of Myself, My witness is not true.” (John 5:31)

…“the Father Himself, Who sent Me, has testified of Me!”

You have neither heard His voice at any time, nor seen His form. But you have not His Word abiding in you: for Whom He has sent, him you do not believe. Search the Scriptures; for in them you think you have eternal life: and they testify of Me.”

Hint: He is NOT talking about the the yet-then-unwritten letters of Paul!!!!

 

And you will not come to Me, that you might have life.

(think, “another jesus, whom we have NOT preached” instead!)

I have come in My Father’s Name, and yet you do not receive Me: if another comes in his own name, him you will receive!”

How right He was!

How can you believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that comes from Yah only?

Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuses you, even Moses, in whom you trust.

 

Well, that was THEN. These guys don’t even believe Moses, either, having accepted the lie that the “Old” has been “done away with”.

For had you believed Moses, you would have believed Me: for he Wrote of Me. But if you will not believe His Writings, how shall you believe My words? (John 5:46-47)

 

ANSWER: They ignore those. And twist the literal you-know-what outta Paul!

 

Yahushua was talking FACE-to-FACE to a bunch of hypocrites who KNEW the Torah and Tanakh, and yet were still so wedded to their own tradition and “law” that they refused to see the Torah Made Flesh when He taught them in PERSON. “How much more so,” then, those who have an even MORE paganized ‘tradition of men’ and so-called “law” that they can literally turn the words of a consummate Torah scholar like Shaul/”Paul” upside down, and deny the very Words of the Word Made Flesh Himself in the process!

When the Foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do?” (wipe the dust off their feet, and move on, says the “Torah Made Flesh” they ignore.)

He who turns his ear from hearing Torah – even his PRAYER is an abomination.” (Proverbs 28:9)

And yet, ultimately we will be asked “why does it matter?” Who really cares if His Name was “Yahushua,” or Yeshua, or even “Jesus”. If we just “believe in Him,” or claim to “love him,” by whatever name, and say the “sinner’s prayer”, isn’t that enough? Isn’t that really ALL that matters?

And there is the rub. The answer is NO! That same Paul said, “work out your OWN SALVATION with fear and trembling.” For cryin’ out loud, why would he feel the need to say something like THAT if saying the sinner’s prayer once-and-done was all it took? (Never mind that the so-called “sinner’s prayer” is nowhere to be found in His Word anyway!)

Yahushua said (John 14:15), “if you love Me, keep My commandments.” And, yes, let’s not forget that “I never knew you” warning to those who ignore His Instruction!

Isn’t there a concern here? How can one get “eternal life” from the wrong savior?

If the Foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do? “

We can, in fact, build our house upon the Rock. That YHVH is Who He says He is. That He does NOT change, He IS “the same, yesterday, today, and forever,” and that He did not change His mind, or His Word.

If there is “another jesus, whom we have not preached,” who “did away with” the “law of Moses,” we know that he is a liar, and the Truth is not in him.

The Messiah must be consistent with His own Word! How else could He be the Torah Made Flesh?

And that is a Very Big Deal, indeed.

Study, to show yourself approved,” said that same guy, Shaul. No wonder he said to work it out for ourselves.

Why “theology” is NOT the same as studying Scripture

Wednesday, September 9th, 2015

Recently I got asked about “theology”, and it got me to thinking that whatever that means, it is NOT the same as studying YHVH and His Scripture. Why? Because ‘theology’ is derived from the Greek words ‘theos’, meaning “gods” and having to do with ‘study’, which does sound a bit different that just studying what He Wrote down for us. The Greek language assumes a lot of ’em, and no shortages of books about them, either.

 

It’s a bit like the realization there there are lots of “religions” but that the Bible has nothing good to say about the concept.
And that in turn got me to thinking about just HOW we might be able to explain similar differences to most Christians. What about “Sabbath”, and what difference does it make? And the perennial favorite: If we’re “saved by grace” and by “faith in Jesus” – what does that mean, what does it look like, and why, oh, why, would any of us care about all that nasty ole “Old Testament” stuff? Isn’t it all just “legalism” anyway?

And perhaps the best way to address that set of issues is head-on. Just which “Jesus” are we talking about, anyway?

The one who “did away with The Law,” and then “nailed it to the cross,” or the One Who was actually described in prophetic and legal detail in that same “Old Testament”? Put differently, “another jesus”, that the Apostle Paul, aka Shaul, in II Corinthians 11:4 warned us about, and said we might be fooled by, unless we learn to rightly divide the “Word of Truth”.

Since Paul/Shaul was advising people who, as he reminded them, already KNEW that the Messiah foretold by Moses would have to conform to the prophetic guidelines already laid OUT by Moses, it stands to reason that if such a person were to “do away” with the very instruction given by God to identify the One He would send, we have a problem.

So it’s instructive to note that in the very first “public address” that Messiah Yahushua ever gave, recorded in places like Matthew chapters 5 through 7, and often referred to as the ‘Sermon on the Mount’, He addressed those concerns up front:

Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.

And He followed that up by saying that so long as “heaven and earth” still existed, not the SMALLEST part of His “Torah” would pass away. (Matthew 5:17-19) So, no doubt about it, “all” is not yet fulfilled.

Check it out for yourself. They still exist. If we believe Him (as opposed to just “believing IN Him”) then when we hear that He “did away with the law” – we know that SOMEONE is lying. Either that, or just maybe they’re talking about “another jesus, whom we HAVE NOT PREACHED.”
Furthermore, ALL of those who come in the Name of YHVH, the Most High, including His Annoined Meshiach, the Torah Made Flesh, must speak His Truth consistently, or they are NOT of Him. (Deuteronomy chapter 13, and many others.) So it should be clear that Yahushua can thus be distinguished from “another jesus,” by that undeniable and unchanging criterion. He IS, in fact, “the same, yesterday, today, and forever.” (Hebrews 13:8, repeating Malachi 3:6. And check out the end of that Book, too!)


At this point the distinction between what I thus refer to as “xtianity” and what is Written in Scripture should be increasingly clear.

If ‘jesus’ had, in fact, “done away with” the Torah of Moses, (the so-called “Law”) then he, by his own admission, would not only have been a liar, but could NOT have been the “prophet like unto Moses” spoken of by the prophets, much less the ‘son of YHVH’. Yahushua, however, (to hammer home the important difference) went on to make a series of very important related distinctions in that same first speech. Over and over He said, “what you have heard it said” is NOT what is Written. And that He taught them, “as One having Authority”. (Matthew 7:29)
In many later teachings, from Mark chapter 7 to the 23rd chapter of Matthew, and similarly, He made it clear that men’s TRADITIONS and rulings and ‘interpretations’ (“theology,” perhaps) were not the same as “law” – even when “hypocrites” said they were. “By …teaching as doctrines the commandments of men…” they had, “made the commandments of Yah of no effect.” (Mark 7:6-13)

 

No doubt this is why Paul also advises us to not only “study to show yourself approved,” but to be like the Bereans, who confirmed what they were being told daily – in the “Old Testament”, obviously! – to find out whether what they were being told was True or not. (II Timothy 2:15; Acts 17:11)

NOT ONE of the statutes, judgments, and commandments that He gave to us in His Word has been “done away with”, from His Sabbaths (plural), to what He told us is “food”, to His instruction about His Covenant, which we broke, and for which reason He came.

All of those we changed by men, by “adding to,” and “subtracting from“, in violation of His Word. (Deuteronomy 4:2, 12:32, and the “last command in Scripture”, at the end of Revelation.) As several other commentators throughout Scripture have said, in more than one way, “are we to obey God, or men?”

And, “therein lies the rub”.

Yahushua says in John 14:15, “If you love Me, keep My commandments.”

Why would He say something like that, if they had been “done away with” anyway? (And for those who answer something about the ‘law of love’, the follow-up question is obvious: “If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do?” Since the most common prophetic metaphor throughout the Bible has to do with whoring, and idolatry, and adultery, and how we, repeatedly throughout history, have been “put away” from Him for that very act…the question can be rephrased, even if perhaps a bit bluntly: does a whore really know what love is, anyway? ESPECIALLY if the “law has been done away with.”)


Theology can be about lots of gods. The Bible, as Written, is about only One. And He does not change.

As for me and my house,” said Joshua, “we will serve YHVH.” I can’t help but agree. After all, I’ve never been very big on theology.